Re:David Haye will be punished by the Klitschko's
von Krazylegs82 Posted at 2009/07/17 02:04
David picks the wrong Goliath
By Eric Raskin
If you Google the phrase “would you rather,” you’ll find all sorts of questions — some of them clean enough for publication on this web site, some not — seeking to find the lesser of two evils. Some examples: Would you rather have a missing finger or have an extra toe? Would you rather change your name to Jeffrey Dahmer or Osama Bin Laden? Would you rather immerse your naked body in a bathtub of cockroaches or dive naked headfirst into a pool of tobacco spit?
Thanks to David Haye, we can now add this one to the list: Would you rather take a beating from Wladimir Klitschko or Vitali Klitschko?
Haye was slated to fight younger brother Wladimir in June, but he pulled out claiming a back injury, and is now scheduled to fight older brother Vitali on September 12.
Haye is a fast, skilled, hard-hitting former cruiserweight champion of the world; it’s entirely possible that he would have beaten Wladimir and will beat Vitali. But “possible” isn’t the same thing as “probable.” Almost any boxing expert will agree that Haye is a clear underdog against either Klitschko. And that’s not a knock against Haye. Name any current heavyweight contender, and the Klitschkos would both be heavily favored to beat him.
The question is, in switching from fighting Klitschko A to Klitschko B, has Haye just transformed himself from a big underdog to an even bigger underdog? The consensus opinion across the boxing world is yes, Haye’s difficult task just got a little closer to impossible.
“I would say Haye’s chances got worse,” said Jay Deas, the trainer of heavyweight prospect Deontay Wilder. “Even though Vitali doesn’t have quite the skill set that Wladimir has, he’s got more of what you would need to beat David Haye.”
“Vitali’s more dangerous,” agreed New England-_base_d trainer and former light heavyweight contender John Scully. “I thought maybe Haye would go the distance with Wladimir, but I think he’ll get stopped by Vitali.”
“If I was Haye, I would have wanted to stick with fighting Wladimir,” said Chris Byrd, the world’s foremost expert in fighting against Klitschkos, with a 1-2 career record against the brothers. “He has more of a puncher’s chance against Wladimir. Vitali is so unorthodox, he’s just a harder guy to fight.”
The one person who seems to disagree is Haye himself. As co-promoter Richard Schaefer told RingTV.com editor Michael Rosenthal last week, “We’ve thought from a _style_ standpoint, from a winning point of view, Wladimir was a better matchup, but David always pushed more toward Vitali.”
Perhaps Haye’s preference was _base_d on the notion that was popular a year ago that Vitali was a physically broken-down fighter, a rusty, cut-prone, injury-prone former terror. But two dominant victories into his comeback after a 46-month layoff, the elder brother has disproven those presumptions and established that there’s nothing “former” about his terror status.
“I could see Haye thinking he can take advantage of Vitali’s inactivity,” said Deas. “Vitali’s comeback win over Sam Peter reminded me of when [Felix] Trinidad or Oscar [De La Hoya] fought Ricardo Mayorga and everyone said, ‘He’s back!’ I’d say, ‘No, don’t _base_ it on that, Mayorga has a way of making that level of fighter look great.’ Same with Sam Peter for Vitali, you can’t _base_ too much on that. So maybe Haye thinks Vitali is still vulnerable.
“But matchup-wise, Haye is a lot worse off. Against someone like the Klitschkos, his best opportunities are going to be in the first three to four rounds of the fight, and you could see him getting systematically worn down from then on. Haye could have maybe gotten a good shot in against Wladimir. Corrie Sanders jumped on him and caught him with that good shot, and was able to break that comfort zone, which is what you have to do against Wladimir. Make him as uncomfortable as you can. I think Vitali has a stronger mental constitution, he’s just tougher and takes a better shot. It’s harder to get him in trouble with one big punch.”
Byrd seems to respect Wladimir’s offense a bit more — he told RingTV.com that the younger brother is the harder puncher — but he respects Vitali’s defense more. He served as a sparring partner for Vitali as the elder Klitschko prepared to fight Juan Carlos Gomez this year, and he came away with a new level of appreciation for the big man’s intelligence.
“With Vitali, you’re dealing with somebody close to 6-foot-8, athletic, and just a very smart guy in the ring,” Byrd said. “He uses height and range really well. And he’s just so unorthodox. He was a kickboxer first, whereas Wladimir just did pure boxing, and I think that gives Vitali a different _style_. The key is, Wladimir will look for a knockout more than Vitali will, which means he might leave openings. Vitali doesn’t look for a knockout, he just breaks you down. And he adapts well during a fight, I was impressed with that in sparring.”
So if Vitali is going to adapt, should Haye adapt his _style_ to fit the situation? Haye is naturally an aggressive puncher, but he’s also quick-handed and much more nimble on his feet that the Klitschkos. So should he try to emphasize speed, darting in and out and trying to pile up points?
“I think the worst thing you could do with Haye is have him running around the ring, throwing jabs and all that,” Deas said. “You do what got you there. I don’t think you can change Haye. He’s drama personified. He enjoys putting it on the line, and that’s what he does best. I think he hits hard enough to hurt anyone. If I was training Haye, I’d turn him loose.
“One other thing I’d do in training, I would have Haye carrying a 100-to-140 pound heavybag in the ring while he does his footwork, where you’re putting a big ol’ bag on your shoulder and having to move around the ring with it. That would help to get him in the right shape for fighting on the inside and having a big guy leaning on you.”
Scully agrees that Haye needs to make it an inside fight against Vitali and needs to be prepared to go to hell and back in order to win.
“Both Klitschkos are so big and their lefts are so long, it’s hard to box a guy like that on the outside,” Scully said. “I would think you want to be on the inside, fighting hard, make it a dogfight. When Joe Frazier got inside, that was the true essence of the term ‘work the body.’ He worked it, consistently and constantly. Joe got inside and you could tell he was trying to break your ribs. Other guys think ‘work the body’ means throw a couple to the body and then get back out, then try to get back in and throw a couple more. Haye would have to be in the eye of the storm, working the body, trying to just outpunch him, be more of a volume puncher. He has to fight like Marlon Starling did when he beat Mark Breland. ‘Moochie’ took the chance of being roughed up in order to rough Breland up. If Haye stays on the outside, sooner or later, the clock is ticking, he’s going to get caught with something.”
On ESPN2’s Friday Night Fights this past weekend, in announcing the news that Haye and Vitali had signed to fight each other, studio host Brian Kenny referred to Vitali as “the bodyguard” for his brother. It calls to mind the middleweight division of the 1980s, when Robbie Sims occasionally stood between his half-brother, Marvin Hagler, and “The Marvelous One’s” potential challengers.
The difference, of course, is that the bodyguard in that situation was clearly inferior to the champion he was protecting. With the Klitschkos, if Vitali is doing bodyguard work against Haye, it just might be a situation where the bodyguard is superior to the fighter he’s guarding.
Wladimir has the better recent resume and is recognized as the current top dog in the division by anyone who compiles credible rankings. But nearly everyone — this writer included — agrees that Vitali presents the more imposing challenge for Haye. Wladimir is THE RING champion, which means that defeating him comes with greater reward. But fighting Vitali comes with greater risk.
Maybe the “would you rather” question isn’t “Would you rather fight Wladimir Klitschko or Vitali Klitschko?” That’s too easy to answer. Maybe we need to handicap the situation, giving us the more compelling question, “Would you rather go through with the Wladimir fight with a bad back, or be 100 percent healthy and fight Vitali instead?”
The Experts Set The Odds
Our panel of experts for this article reveal the odds they would set for Haye vs. both Klitschkos:
Expert/Odds vs. Wladimir/Odds vs. Vitali
Chris Byrd/5-1/6-1
John Scully/3-1/4-1
Jay Deas/2½-1/3-1
